7/23/2011

Some Quotes Deserve a Post of Their Own

“If God had perceived that our greatest need was economic, he would have sent an economist. If he had perceived that our greatest need was entertainment, he would have sent us a comedian or an artist. If God had perceived that our greatest need was political stability, he would have sent us a politician. If he had perceived that our greatest need was health, he would have sent us a doctor.

But he perceived that our greatest need involved our sin, our alienation from him, our profound rebellion, our death; and he sent us a Savior.” — D. A. Carson, A Call to Spiritual Reformation (Grand Rapids, Mi.:Baker Books, 1992)

16 comments:

Anonymous said...

Why couldn't he have done all Five?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOfjkl-3SNE&feature=relmfu

Pay attention at the 2 minute mark.

It's funny how people justify their beliefs by claiming what their god can't do.

The Greek's were so close to the germ theory of disease a few explanatory words would have advanced medical knowledge by a thousand years.

At the very least it may have stopped the religious opposition of vaccinations and anesthetic.

http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/whitem10.html

But no, we get bits of "wisdom" indistinguishable from all the other prejudices, myths and legends of that time period.

J. K. Jones said...

Christ solved our greatest problem. Why should we expect Him to solve everything else?

J. K. Jones said...

Besides, you can't find anything in Christ's teaching that is unique?

Strange that I don't have to look to hard to find a savior who dies for His people. That is very unique.

Steve Martin said...

Christ alone can forgive sins.

Only Christ could die for them.

Only in Christ do we have any chance at eternal life.

Christ isn't concerned about giving us a makeover...but rather he is out to kill us.

And then raise us again in His own image.

Nice one, J.K.!

Thanks.

Anonymous said...

He solved a completely invisible problem that people don't otherwise have unless they are followers of your religion in the first place.

Who said solve everything else?

You didn't watch the video did you?

Anonymous said...

"Strange that I don't have to look to hard to find a savior who dies for His people. That is very unique."

Purposing to solve a problem that people are unaware of is a common sales technique.


"Christ isn't concerned about giving us a makeover...but rather he is out to kill us."

How completely disgusting and such an apt description of some believers.

J. K. Jones said...

Anonymous,

Your argument depends on the notion that the problem is not universal and is unknown.

Have you ever done something despite the conviction that you knew it to be wrong? Have you ever done something you knew to be wrong?

Most people have done something they knew to be wrong, assuming of course they acknowledge a standard of right and wrong. Do you acknowledge such a standard?

JK

Anonymous said...

The standards of right and wrong are set by the society in which you live.

Steve Martin said...

Anonymous,

Are you not going to die, also?

That is the problem that Jesus came to solve for us.

He raised the dead, and He still does.

You may not believe it, but millions do. I think it's a pretty awesome hope that we have.

J. K. Jones said...

Anonymous,

Have you ever violated the standards of the community where you live? If so, what did you do about it?

JK

Anonymous said...

"Are you not going to die, also?
..... I think it's a pretty awesome hope that we have."

In short, the reason you give to believe in god is because you are afraid of dying.

I find fear is of the unknown is an insufficient reason to believe in something.

Consider certain types of surgery and injury to the brain causes permanent changes in personality, behavior and memory. What reason is there to believe that you will still exist in any recognizable conscious form after your physical brain dies? Would you even remember yourself?

Steve Martin said...

You are right. I don't want to die. And the hope of One who gave His life for me so that I can live with Him forever is a great thing.

The only reason that I believe it, that I believe in Him, is that He has made me a believer. I used to not believe, but He has grabbed a hold of me and has changed me and is changing me. And when I need life again when they lay me in the grave He has promised to give it to.

Never say never.

Anonymous said...

"The only reason that I believe it, that I believe in Him, is that He has made me a believer."

Can't argue with circular reasoning like that.

Anonymous said...

"Have you ever violated the standards of the community where you live? If so, what did you do about it?"

I'll assume when you say standards you are talking about moral standards as opposed to simple secular laws.

I thought about what I had done, and examined my actions to see what harm was caused.

J. K. Jones said...

Anonymous,

Did you do anything to make up for the harm you caused?

By the way, how did you know you had done "moral" evil? What "standards" did you use?

JK

J. K. Jones said...

Anonymous,

Since you seem to have stopped commenting, I wanted to point out a few things.

Moral laws cannot be based only on community standards. If they are, then a Martin Luther King Jr., or a Gandhi would have nothing to appeal to in order to change the standards of the culture in which they live.

Moral prinicples must be based on a transendent set of prinicples.

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