1/26/2008

Koran Quotes

Thanks to Infidels Are Cool for some interesting quotes of the Koran here.

Careful at this site though, it’s a political issue with it. The only way, in my opinion to confront Islam is to convert them to Christ and let Him worry about changing their lives.

6 comments:

John said...

Thanks for the link, but with all due respect, You need to wake up and pay attention to the Islamist threat to our complete way of life. You think compassion and conversion helped the 22 South Koreans that were kidnapped by Islamist extremists in Afghanistan? After all they were only there on a missions trip for Christ.

Look, I'm an evangelical christian, but that doesn't stop me from standing up to the threat that we face in this moderan day and age. Look at the Islamization of Europe, look at the multitude of "hotspots" all around the world where ISlamists are fighting whoever. What will it take for my fellow Chrisitans to understand this threat? Do we have to lose a city before we do anything? How many Americans, how many 9-11's have to happen before you get it?

Islam is the only religion that can't get along with the rest. It's going to be a long struggle and I fear more than anything that this is something we will leave to our children.

I urge you to read more posts from my site to get educated on this issue. We are not hateful people. We only want to inform the world of the threat in which we face today and that which our children will have to face when we're gone.

God Bless America

John
Infidels Are Cool

J. K. Jones said...

I do not intend to downplay the role of military might against a terrorist threat. I do not downplay the role of the military and the police in their just use of force at all. I am not a pacifist.

If it became necessary to stop a terrorist from killing innocent people, I will personally do whatever I can. I will bring a decent knowledge of human anatomy, some specialized training, any and all weapons available, and all of the grit and determination I can muster. I will do everything I can to stop them, and if they are injured in the process, that is their problem.

But stopping the treat of Islamic terrorism without addressing the underlying socio/political/religious system that creates terrorists is like cutting of the head of the Hydra. Another terrorist motivated by the things that system taught him will step in to take the place of the one who is killed. Hydra will grow another head. The system will only fall to evangelism conducted by Christians willing to give their lives. The only hope for Europe is a vibrant, evangelistic Christian faith lived out day by day.

I never said you were hateful. I have read several posts at your site, and I do not get that impression.

I also agree that the threat is real. It has been since well before 9/11. The world situation didn’t change with 9/11. We just realized what the world had been like for some time.

You might read this post:

http://jkjonesthinks.blogspot.com/2007/04/or-they-will-kill-us.html

J. K.

John said...

JK,

Agreed, you must address the underlying socio/political/religious system that creates terrorists, and guess what the root of that problem is?

Political, ideological and fundamental ISLAMIC fascist theology.

If it can't be reformed, it must be crushed, and with the tens of MILLIONS that are radical I'm afraid that's what it will ultimately come to.

They will never stop hating us, it's in their belief system. We can only defend ourselves in the best way we know how. That's why support for a strong national defense is essential to our security.

If your curious as to what Obama's national defense plan is, watch this short video.

Video: Obama explains his national defense plan

J. K. Jones said...

John,

Good to hear from you again.


“They will never stop hating us, it's in their belief system.”

This can only be changed by introducing a new belief system.

I believe the gospel of Jesus Christ can make that change.

JK

Liam said...

It is patently ridiculous to suggest curing one mainfestly violent, oppressive and ignorant religion with yet another, perhaps no longer manifestly, but certainly textually violent, oppressive and ignorant religion. The problem is this: a refusal to acknowledge that within the laws of Moses, Jesus and Mohammed there are explicit instructions to commit heinous, disgusting and tredidatious acts of brutal violence, I urge you, all of you to please read the book you profess to live your life by. I emplore you with sincere concern for my fellow man:
read it thoroughly and be not afraid of the logical and reasonous voice in your head which has an inherent moral dispute with the teachings of Dueteronomy, Exodus, Leviticus, or if you believe that Jesus law replaced Moses law re-read the new testament on Jesus teachings: 2nd Thessalonians 1:6-9, John 15:6Matthew 15:3-5. After studying it closely it is not only seemingly sufficient to classify the bible as manifestly immoral, but it is at least IMPOSSIBLE to deny that the Bible CAN NOT be an acceptable moral compass. It clearly endorses the easiest moral question we have to answer: Slavery. Anyone in modernity that asserts that slavery is good moral practice would be referred quite rightly to a Psychiatrist, 1st Timothy 6:1-4 "Let all who are under the yolk of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching be not defamed. Those who have believing masters must not be disrespectful on the grounds that they are brethren. Rather, they must serve all the better since those that benefit by their service are believers and beloved. Teach and urge these duties. If anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree with the sound word of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching which accords with Godliness, he is puffed up with conceit, he knows nothing, he has a morbid craving for controversy and for disputes about words which produce ency, slander, base suspcisions." I don't expect this to be approved by the author, but I hope at least he, finds some pause. Always Peace, Always Love. Liam

J. K. Jones said...

Liam,

I apologize for taking some time to approve your post and respond. I have been very busy at work lately.

Some responses, your comments in quotes:

“I don't expect this to be approved by the author…” That is because you incorrectly assume that my religion is “… mainfestly violent, oppressive and ignorant.” Please see my posts under the label “Nine Reasons to Believe Christianity is the Only True Religion” on the sidebar. Read them from the last post at the bottom (the first post chronologically) to the first post at the top (the last post in the series). The posts build upon each other to form a comprehensive argument.

Also, I am a Baptist. My religious tradition includes a long-line of people who have supported religious freedom and tolerance. Please see the notes on John Leland here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Leland_(Baptist)

“The problem is this: a refusal to acknowledge that within the laws of Moses, Jesus and Mohammed there are explicit instructions to commit heinous, disgusting and tredidatious acts of brutal violence…”

There is only one place where Jesus weighed in on the subject of violence that I am aware of: Luke 9:51-56. In this passage Jesus rebukes his disciples for their intent to call down fire from heaven on because a Samaritan village. If he did not want His disciples to call down fire from heaven, why should it be expected that He would condone violence? His healing of the guard’s ear after Peter cut it off is also an indirect comment against Peter’s violence (Luke 22:47-53).

“…inherent moral dispute with the teachings of Dueteronomy, Exodus, Leviticus…”

I have read them, and I have found no such problem. All of us are sinners, and we must reflect on the idea that we stand under God’s just condemnation for any and all sins we commit. We can discuss particular issues from those books if you wish.

You might also find this site helpful:
http://www.4truth.net/site/c.hiKXLbPNLrF/b.3226507/k.515A/Joshuas_Conquest_Was_It_Justified.htm

2 Thessalonians 1:6-9 and John 15:6 refer to Christ’s coming in judgment, not the actions of His followers on this earth on His behalf. God’s judgment against sinners is justified, and we are all sinners. That is why I tell others that faith in Christ will help them avoid this judgment.

Matthew 15:3-5 is a reference to one of the things that would draw the death penalty under Mosaic law. When it comes down to it, every sin deserves the death penalty. Please see http://www.pbministries.org/books/pink/Attributes/attrib_16.htm

“After studying it closely it is not only seemingly sufficient to classify the bible as manifestly immoral, but it is at least IMPOSSIBLE to deny that the Bible CAN NOT be an acceptable moral compass.”

Which teachings of the Bible are not in keeping with a good moral compass? The prohibition of child sacrifice (Dt. 18:10)? The prohibition of murder (Ex. 20:13)? The prohibition of theft (Ex. 20:15)? The prohibition against lying under oath (Ex. 20:16)? The prohibition against adultery (Ex. 20:14)? The admonition to love others, even our enemies (Lk. 6:27)? The attachment of liability for unsafe building construction (Dt. 22:8)? The requirement to work productively (1 Thess. 4:11)? Please provide specifics.

“…Slavery …1st Timothy 6:1-4…”

Please see the following sites on the work of William Wilberforce and a group of Christians who lead the effort to prohibit slavery in the British Empire:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wilberforce

http://www.christianitytoday.com/history/special/131christians/wilberforce.html

There must be something in the Bible that prohibits slavery that motivated them to do this. I know that some have misquoted and misused the verses involved, and for that I can only apologize.


Indentured servitude, as "slavery" often was in the Bible, is in many ways different from “chattel slavery” as has been practiced in America’s past. There were Old Testament laws that limited punishment of slaves (Ex. 21:27) and required that they be freed every few years (Dt. 15:12). As for the New Testament, please see the book of Philemon where Paul has specific advice for a situation in which a run-away slave has become a Christian. His advice for the master of the run-away slave includes, “…that you might have him back forever, no longer as a slave but more than a slave, as a beloved brother—especially to me, but how much more to you, both in the flesh and in the Lord. So if you consider me your partner, receive him as you would receive me. If he has wronged you at all, or owes you anything, charge that to my account.” (Philemon 15-18).

Paul was in no way in a position to greatly influence the Roman Empire of his day during the time period his letters were written. It may well be that Paul was aware that he could not expect to change a legal code that was enforced by the mighty Roman Empire. He may have said things differently if he had a hope of changing the situation, and I think he would have.

More on this topic can be found at:

http://www.carm.org/questions/slavery.htm


Put aside your own prejudices and review the information I have provided with an open mind. Keep in mind that people much more intelligent than I am have provided better answers to your questions.

I will pray that we both learn the truth.

JK

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