2/12/2011

Are all objections to the Christian Faith based on reason?

Christianity Today says "no" at this link.

12 comments:

Steve Martin said...

Interesting article.

I don't agree with much said in it. It states a pemise which is false from the git-go, that man has a "free will" when it comes to choosing God.

Our wills are bound in sin. We are dead in our sins and trespasses and no one is able to size God up and choose Him.

When Jesus asked Peter, "who do you say that I am?" Peter answered correctly and Jesus replied "blessed are you Simon Peter for flesh and blood have not evealed this to you but my Father in Heaven."

God calls and chooses His own through the gospel. "No man CAN come to Him." (Gospel of John)

If someone becomes a believer it is because God willed him to be one. That's what the Bible says, anyway.

J. K. Jones said...

Steve,

Glad you commented. I hope you are doing well.

You know that, as a Calvinist, I agree with much of what you say. But I do affirm "free will" of a sort. This free will, or free agency, as my tradition calls it, means that a person is responsible for the things they choose.

I see nothing in the article that contradicts the idea of free agency.

It is important to remember that the reason that a person cannot come to God is that they will not come to God. They will not come to God because they do not want to, nor will they ever want to unless God changes their hearts.

But they are responsible for their lack of faith because they are doing exactly what they want to do. God is not forcing them to turn their backs on Him. They are doing what they want.

I pray that God would change their hearts, but I also know that the gospel we share and the reasons we provide for belief in God may be just the things He chooses to use to change their hearts.

JK

Steve Martin said...

J.K.,

We do have a will, but it is certainly not free. When it comes to the things of God, our wills are bound...to sin.

That is why the Bible tells us that God calls, and chooses us. No one becomes a Christian by sizing anything up about God and making a "decision" for Him.


When we become believers, God gets all the credit. When we reject Him, we get all the blame.
This is Biblical, and we believe it to be the truth.

ejes said...

how do you possibly believe any of this bs?

Steve Martin said...

ejes,

Because of Christ Jesus.

Without Him, no one could believe in God.

J. K. Jones said...

ejes,

I have given allot of evidence on this blog.

Feel free to look around.

JK

J. K. Jones said...

Steve,

Part of the reason we get all the blame is that we have great evidence for God's existence and the central truths of the Christian faith. It's 'as true as the nose on our faces' (Romans 1).

But you are completely correct in saying that we are dependent on God for a change to our hearts that would make us willing to accept the gospel.

JK

Vic said...

"But you are completely correct in saying that we are dependent on God for a change to our hearts that would make us willing to accept the gospel."

It's what I've been saying all along. God's responsible for sin.

Steve Martin said...

God is not responsible for sin.
How in the world do you come up with that one?

He forgives sin! He died for sin!

He hates sin, but He loves the sinner.

J. K. Jones said...

Vic,

I am with Steve.

Please explain to us why God is responsbile for sin.

JK

J. K. Jones said...

Vic,

Since you have not answered our question, I wanted to assume your argument and then respond to it.
I assume that you are saying that God forces us in some way to sin. I think you are saying that God forces us to do the things we do.
He does not. There is nothing outside the sinner that forces him / her to sin. We sin because we want to. We want to because that is the kind of person we are. We are sinners by nature and by choice. We are responsible for the things we do because we always do what we want to do.

JK

Steve Martin said...

"There is nothing outside the sinner that forces him / her to sin. We sin because we want to. We want to because that is the kind of person we are. We are sinners by nature and by choice. We are responsible for the things we do because we always do what we want to do."

Spot on, J.K..

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